The Creation Dilemma Backfires on Mormonism?

Does Hayden Carroll's "Creation Dilemma" successfully challenge traditional Christianity, or does the argument create an even bigger problem for Mormonism? In this episode of FreeThinking Ministries, Josh Klein and Tim Stratton are joined by Taylor from  @thoughtfultheology  to examine the Creation Dilemma, Hayden Carroll's ( @LetsTalk-HaydenCarroll ) philosophical argument concerning God's foreknowledge, creation, human freedom, hell, and divine goodness.

First, we take Hayden's argument seriously and ask whether Christians can answer the challenge. Does God's knowledge that someone will reject Him make creating that person immoral? Do libertarian freedom, Molinism, soul-building, and competing goods provide a meaningful response? Then the conversation turns to LDS theology itself. If human beings existed premortally, if Heavenly Father operates according to eternal law, and if some ultimately experience outer darkness, does the Creation Dilemma create a parallel problem for Mormonism? And does premortal consent solve the problem—or simply move it somewhere else? This isn't about dunking on Hayden. We appreciate his willingness to engage difficult philosophical and theological questions, and our goal is to reason carefully through the argument and follow it wherever it leads. FreeThinking Ministries seeks to help people reason together by applying logic and sound theology to all aspects of life.

➡️ RESOURCES MENTIONED ⬅️

Previous FTM discussion with Hayden Carroll on the Creation Dilemma: https://youtu.be/E0h5JyfKTLQ

Tim Stratton's article on the Creation Dilemma: https://www.freethinkingministries.com/post/hayden-carroll-s-creation-dilemma-a-strong-argument-that-ultimately-fails

Josh & Tim's conversation with Hayden on Calvinism: https://youtu.be/wA8QbVhGyNA?si=3G_aJ9at1IzEEXIC

Taylor's video on Mormonism and the Problem of Evil: https://youtu.be/Orusaffhd4I?si=oC-9yDYjH1R4kTmQ

➡️ CHAPTERS ⬅️

00:00 The Creation Dilemma: Hayden Carroll's Argument

15:12 Does Foreknowledge Make Creation Immoral?

21:42 Soul-Building, Freedom & Reasons God Might Create

30:30 Is God "Bound"? Feasibility & Eternal Law

45:38 Consent Under Duress & the Problem of Outer Darkness

43:44 Does the Creation Dilemma Backfire on Mormonism?

59:24 Judas, Sons of Perdition & Closing Thoughts

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